Comments on: Round and Round http://lunakm.me/2009/03/round-and-round/ luna's explorations into BDSM, submission, service and love Tue, 09 Mar 2010 04:15:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: CarrieAnn http://lunakm.me/2009/03/round-and-round/comment-page-1/#comment-8042 CarrieAnn Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:50:08 +0000 http://blog.the-iron-gate.com/?p=2477#comment-8042 Meh. I was going to ask about this for March question stuff. Then I realized I should stop back and check where I'd already commented. Gods, I wish they'd get my numbers regulated! <abbr><em>CarrieAnns recent blog post..<a href="http://viewfromthefloor.com/2009/03/zomg/" rel="nofollow">zOMG</a></em></abbr> Meh. I was going to ask about this for March question stuff. Then I realized I should stop back and check where I’d already commented.

Gods, I wish they’d get my numbers regulated!

CarrieAnns recent blog post..zOMG

]]> By: Alexander http://lunakm.me/2009/03/round-and-round/comment-page-1/#comment-8007 Alexander Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:40:37 +0000 http://blog.the-iron-gate.com/?p=2477#comment-8007 I notice you place undue importance on "feelings", and it's almost like you're dominated by your own emotions and not by another person, not just in this post, but throughout this blog. Feelings have their merit, but they also have their place, and that's not in the driver's seat - and is it really submission if I only submit when I "feel like it"? Or when I cop out with "I can't", when I know damn well I can, the truth is, I just don't want to? It's submission, IMO, when I do what's expected of me, regardless of how I feel about it; how I feel doesn't determine what I do with my hands, what I say or do with my mouth, it shouldn't be that important next to knowing what's to be done and doing it. I think if that's not your heart's desire to the extent that it makes you take the focus off yourself, 24/7 may not be your thing at all. I notice you place undue importance on “feelings”, and it’s almost like you’re dominated by your own emotions and not by another person, not just in this post, but throughout this blog. Feelings have their merit, but they also have their place, and that’s not in the driver’s seat – and is it really submission if I only submit when I “feel like it”? Or when I cop out with “I can’t”, when I know damn well I can, the truth is, I just don’t want to? It’s submission, IMO, when I do what’s expected of me, regardless of how I feel about it; how I feel doesn’t determine what I do with my hands, what I say or do with my mouth, it shouldn’t be that important next to knowing what’s to be done and doing it. I think if that’s not your heart’s desire to the extent that it makes you take the focus off yourself, 24/7 may not be your thing at all.

]]> By: Tom's Cunt http://lunakm.me/2009/03/round-and-round/comment-page-1/#comment-8006 Tom's Cunt Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:55:51 +0000 http://blog.the-iron-gate.com/?p=2477#comment-8006 ITs just not all about you, this is about your Master and "unconditional love". If you were to have a baby and choose to breast feed it, you would never deny the child id you didn't feel like it...thats unconditional love, we do the things we have to whether we like them or not, to meet the desires of our Masters. I have recently had a bout with cancer, and my Master has been more than accomidating, its almost irritating. I want to serve, that would take my mind off of the other and so he finally said, "if you are up to it" and I was. Luna, consider what you have, how many would jump at the chance to serve full time, I know that it is no easy, but the first rule of bing in D/s for me has always been Unconditional love, with out that one might ever survive! Hugs to you......his css diana ITs just not all about you, this is about your Master and “unconditional love”. If you were to have a baby and choose to breast feed it, you would never deny the child id you didn’t feel like it…thats unconditional love, we do the things we have to whether we like them or not, to meet the desires of our Masters. I have recently had a bout with cancer, and my Master has been more than accomidating, its almost irritating. I want to serve, that would take my mind off of the other and so he finally said, “if you are up to it” and I was.

Luna, consider what you have, how many would jump at the chance to serve full time, I know that it is no easy, but the first rule of bing in D/s for me has always been Unconditional love, with out that one might ever survive! Hugs to you……his css diana

]]> By: luna http://lunakm.me/2009/03/round-and-round/comment-page-1/#comment-8005 luna Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:44:22 +0000 http://blog.the-iron-gate.com/?p=2477#comment-8005 I think it's that he's tired of my wave of interest and then non-interest. He really wants me to want to pleasure him. And I do, but to have instant desire when he expects pleasure is difficult and I feel impossible. I can pass your comment on to him and see if it opens another door of conversation. Thank you. I think it’s that he’s tired of my wave of interest and then non-interest. He really wants me to want to pleasure him. And I do, but to have instant desire when he expects pleasure is difficult and I feel impossible. I can pass your comment on to him and see if it opens another door of conversation. Thank you.

]]> By: Ozz http://lunakm.me/2009/03/round-and-round/comment-page-1/#comment-8003 Ozz Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:02:26 +0000 http://blog.the-iron-gate.com/?p=2477#comment-8003 Hi Luna, I have been lurking in your blogs for a bit and today is the first time i have felt the urge to post. I'm intrigued - is Master aware of your emotional wave at all or to put it another way does he care, or need to care? I could be ignorant and over stepping the mark here, but it appears that he is simply dismissing your emotions rather than working with them. Perhaps this was the agreed dynamic in your contract. Im not sure if your Master has read the Forked Tongue by Flagg (http://www.lulu.com/content/2740786), but Flagg made what i believe are excellent points in Chapter 1 of his book regarding structure: * Love is great, but it does not help in building a D/s foundation; * Don't confuse what you are doing with why you are doing it; * Do not phrase anything so that behaviour hinges on feelings... it makes your structure reliant on mood and perception, and is akin to building on a swamp - no steady foundation. * Sexual availability is enforceable, sexual excitement not so much. * Emotions, involuntary responses.... should be struck from your list. So in my case when i request a blow job i ABSOLUTELY would want my sub to perform the act to the best of her abilities, however i do not expect her to be dripping wet. Would i like her to "love" pleasuring me - sure - can i demand it - No... it's on a hiding to nothing as its going to be the potential for dissapointment. Her for not meeting expectations and thinking WTF... but truth be told the disappointment would be in myself for having such an unrealistic expectation. I hope this helps. Ozz Hi Luna,

I have been lurking in your blogs for a bit and today is the first time i have felt the urge to post.

I’m intrigued – is Master aware of your emotional wave at all or to put it another way does he care, or need to care?

I could be ignorant and over stepping the mark here, but it appears that he is simply dismissing your emotions rather than working with them. Perhaps this was the agreed dynamic in your contract.

Im not sure if your Master has read the Forked Tongue by Flagg (http://www.lulu.com/content/2740786), but Flagg made what i believe are excellent points in Chapter 1 of his book regarding structure:

* Love is great, but it does not help in building a D/s foundation;
* Don’t confuse what you are doing with why you are doing it;
* Do not phrase anything so that behaviour hinges on feelings… it makes your structure reliant on mood and perception, and is akin to building on a swamp – no steady foundation.
* Sexual availability is enforceable, sexual excitement not so much.
* Emotions, involuntary responses…. should be struck from your list.

So in my case when i request a blow job i ABSOLUTELY would want my sub to perform the act to the best of her abilities, however i do not expect her to be dripping wet.

Would i like her to “love” pleasuring me – sure – can i demand it – No… it’s on a hiding to nothing as its going to be the potential for dissapointment.

Her for not meeting expectations and thinking WTF… but truth be told the disappointment would be in myself for having such an unrealistic expectation.

I hope this helps.

Ozz

]]> By: luna http://lunakm.me/2009/03/round-and-round/comment-page-1/#comment-8002 luna Tue, 03 Mar 2009 03:26:36 +0000 http://blog.the-iron-gate.com/?p=2477#comment-8002 Thanks chica, but that doesn't fly anymore because according to my blood work I'm back in normal range for my thyroid levels. Meds are working. *sigh* I'm just being a bitch and need to cut it out. Thanks chica, but that doesn’t fly anymore because according to my blood work I’m back in normal range for my thyroid levels. Meds are working. *sigh* I’m just being a bitch and need to cut it out.

]]> By: CarrieAnn http://lunakm.me/2009/03/round-and-round/comment-page-1/#comment-8001 CarrieAnn Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:55:05 +0000 http://blog.the-iron-gate.com/?p=2477#comment-8001 Don't you have thyroid issues, Luna? I know depression and decreased (or non-existent) libido is a HUGE part of that, if it's not controlled yet by the meds. Not that it's an "excuse" but it IS a reason. Yanno? xoxo <abbr><em>CarrieAnns recent blog post..<a href="http://viewfromthefloor.com/2009/03/pink/" rel="nofollow">Pink</a></em></abbr> Don’t you have thyroid issues, Luna?

I know depression and decreased (or non-existent) libido is a HUGE part of that, if it’s not controlled yet by the meds.

Not that it’s an “excuse” but it IS a reason. Yanno?

xoxo

CarrieAnns recent blog post..Pink

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